Searching for Slovenian roots – Bill 2

How to read birth and other records in Parish books?

While my American friend Bill was not so enthusiastic about my discovery, where exactly his great grandfather Andrew – Andrej Praznik was born and his ancestors originate from, I was very satisfied with results. Before my first visit of archive in Ljubljana I managed to collect proper German and Slovenian names of settlements and their adminstrative and church affiliation.

On 22 of January 2013 I spent few hours in archive in Ljubljana, where I asked for Birth and Marriage matriculas of parish Velike Lašče. Some copies of records can be seen on the photo below. Surprisingly I found two new born sons in two Praznik families in the neighbourhood on 8 of April 1874:

  • Andrej was born to father Andrej PRAZNIK (carpenter) and mother Maria (maiden name Jamnik)
  • Janez was born to father Štefan PRAZNIK (court of justice scribe) and mother Urša (maiden name Jelenec); in the box with his first name a date of his death was recorded by priest.

In the same book I found a birth record of Andrej’s brother Janez PRAZNIK (26. 3. 1878), for whom there is no data of marriage in the same parish. This means that either he did not get married and had no children, or he got married a women from another parish, where the marriage is recorded. As a rule, marriages were held in a parish, where a bride had been born.

Matricula Velike Lasce: birth records

Photo: Matricula Velike Lasce: birth records

Beside younger brother Janez PRAZNIK (John, born 26 MAR 1878), Andrej (Andrew) got one younger and four older sisters:

  • Marija PRAZNIK, born 24 JAN 1863 married Anton ZIDAR (1881),
  • Frančiška PRAZNIK, born 3 NOV 1864 (no record on marriage),
  • Terezija PRAZNIK, born 15 AUG 1866 (no record on marriage),
  • Johana PRAZNIK, born 1 MAR 1872 (very probably died as a child; the same name was given to next daughter),
  • Johana PRAZNIK, born 6 JUN 1876 (no record on marriage).

All sisters would be married in Velike Lasce, but there is only one record for Marija, who married Anton ZIDAR. Either whole family or only their doughter ‘Mary ZIDAR 27 from Austria’ (born in Slovenia in 1883) emigrated to US and was recorded in 1910 Census at ‘Andrew Prasnik 35 from Austria & Agnes 34 from Austria’ (US Census 1920 states that Agnes immigrated in 1900, but her immigration record has not yet been found; she was not married to Andrew at that time, since Andrew immigrated as a single man in 1899). Three sisters: Franciska, Terezija and Johana either had no children or they emigrated as well and might get married in US.

In the book of marriage I managed to find a record for Andrej’s father Andrej PRAZNIK Sr, born in Male Lašče No. 6, who married at the age of 30 to Maria JAMNIK (age of 24) from Velike Lašče No. 38, where the family later lived. Unfortunatelly, Andrej PRAZNIK Sr was born to single mother Elizabeth PRAZNIK and further reserch of Praznik father’s line is not possible.

Matricula Velike Lasce: marriages

Matricula Velike Lasce: marriages

Andrej’s mother Maria JAMNIK got both parents recorded: father Johann JAMNIK (farmer) and mother Margareth HOCHEVAR (Hočevar). In the birth record of Andrej PRAZNIK Sr his god parents are recorded: Johann HOCHEVAR (Hočevar) and Agnes SKERL. God parents were usually related to a child.

 

Velike Lašče No. 34 (very close to parish rectory.

Velike Lašče No. 34 (very close to parish rectory.

What conclusions can be drawn from these data? Families Zidar, Hočevar, Jamnik and Skerl from Velike Lasce are potential relatives for further research in Slovenia. But relation steps are much less tight than with PRAZNIK, ZIDAR, KOSLER and KLUN descendants in the USA. Praznik families, living nowadays in Slovenia, are very probably not related to Bill Proznik, or they are very distant relatives, who had common ancestor >10 generations ago. This is a huge number of people to explore, who have very little  common heritage. Just imagine, how quickly number of ancestors grow in a period of 300 years: if 3-4 generations fit to 100 years, these would be 1024 people at 10th generation. This number than doubles with every further generation (Bill has 2 parents, 4 grand parents, 8 great-grandparents,16…, 32…., 64….,128…., 256…, 512…., 1024…, 2048…, 4096…).

Buildings near Male Lasce No. 6, where Andrej Praznik Sr. was born

Buildings near Male Lasce No. 6, where Andrej Praznik Sr. was born

Male-Lasce-2 Male-Lasce-3

Therefore Bill should first do research in USA and try to bond with relatives there. I am not sure, if I have managed to send this message to him…

“22 Jan 2013: Dear Bill,

I spent today 5 hours in Lubljana’s archive searching for Praznik records. In the attcahment you can find summary results: I found your great-gand father’s birth date, as well as data on his brothers and sisters, parents and a grandmother. And 10 other Praznik families…

At my web site you will now find in Praznik Family tree 150 people form 39 families…. Best regards

My Heritage Family Tree chart: descendant of Andrej Praznik Sr

My Heritage Family Tree chart: descendant of Andrej Praznik Sr

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